Confusion pair

ORB vs ORFS

Both seal on an O-ring and neither seals on the thread, which is where the confusion starts. The threads are a size apart at every dash, so they will not assemble - but the two ends often appear on the same fitting.

SAE O-ring boss, ORB (SAE J1926-1)

A straight thread with an O-ring on a plain shoulder BEHIND the thread, screwed into a port with a flat spotface.

O-ring boss (straight thread port), on a parallel threadO-ring behind the threadParallel threadOpen end on the left
Schematic cross-section of the male half, upper side only, with the centre line dashed and the open end on the left. Cone angles are drawn at their true angle from the axis; nothing else is to scale and no dimension should be measured off it.

60 degree flanksParallelO-ring boss (straight thread port)

All SAE O-ring boss sizes

O-ring face seal, ORFS (SAE J1453)

A straight thread with a completely flat nose and the O-ring in a groove in that FACE.

O-ring face seal (flat face), on a parallel threadFlat face, O-ring in itParallel threadOpen end on the left
Schematic cross-section of the male half, upper side only, with the centre line dashed and the open end on the left. Cone angles are drawn at their true angle from the axis; nothing else is to scale and no dimension should be measured off it.

60 degree flanksParallelO-ring face seal (flat face)

All ORFS (O-ring face seal) sizes

The three answers

What actually happens if you put them together

What interchanges

  • Nothing. At every dash size the ORFS thread is a full size larger than the ORB thread of the same dash: a -08 ORB is 3/4-16 and a -08 ORFS is 13/16-16.

What threads together and will still leak or fail

This is a safety statement, so it is only made where it is sourced. Each item below either cites a published statement that the two are not interchangeable, or rests on the figures on the size pages showing an identical thread with a different seat.

  • Neither will thread into the other, so there is no leaking combination between them. The failure with these two is a different one: fitting an ORB stud with the O-ring missing, or into a port with no machined spotface. The O-ring is the seal and the thread only carries the load, so a missing ring or a rough port face weeps immediately, and torquing the stud down to chase it damages the spotface and scraps the port.

What will not fit at all

  • Every combination. The threads differ at every size, so an ORFS male will not start in an ORB port and an ORB stud will not start in an ORFS swivel.
  • An ORFS male mated to any female without a flat face - a JIC swivel, for instance - will thread on where diameters happen to allow and has nothing to compress its O-ring against.

The check that settles it

Look at the nose. ORFS is dead flat with a shallow circular groove machined into the face. ORB has no groove in the face at all - its O-ring sits on a plain shoulder between the thread and the hex, and on a used fitting the ring is usually gone and only the shoulder is left.

Work through the full identify flow

Size by size

Where the threads match, and where they do not

No size in this pair will start on the other, so nothing here assembles by accident. Built from the published dimensions at page-build time, not from a hand-kept list.

Thread and diameter for each size of SAE O-ring boss, ORB (SAE J1926-1) against O-ring face seal, ORFS (SAE J1453).
SizeSAE O-ring boss, ORBO-ring face seal, ORFSWill they assemble?
-025/16-24 UNF · 7.94 mmNo such sizeOnly one family has this size
-033/8-24 UNF · 9.53 mmNo such sizeOnly one family has this size
-047/16-20 UNF · 11.11 mm9/16-18 UNF · 14.29 mmNo - 20 TPI against 18 TPI
-051/2-20 UNF · 12.7 mmNo such sizeOnly one family has this size
-069/16-18 UNF · 14.29 mm11/16-16 UNF · 17.46 mmNo - 18 TPI against 16 TPI
-083/4-16 UNF · 19.05 mm13/16-16 UNF · 20.64 mmNo - 1.59 mm apart on diameter
-107/8-14 UNF · 22.23 mm1-14 UNF · 25.4 mmNo - 3.17 mm apart on diameter
-121 1/16-12 UN · 26.99 mm1 3/16-12 UN · 30.16 mmNo - 3.17 mm apart on diameter
-141 3/16-12 UN · 30.16 mmNo such sizeOnly one family has this size
-161 5/16-12 UN · 33.34 mm1 7/16-12 UN · 36.51 mmNo - 3.17 mm apart on diameter
-201 5/8-12 UN · 41.27 mm1 11/16-12 UN · 42.86 mmNo - 1.59 mm apart on diameter
-241 7/8-12 UN · 47.62 mm2-12 UN · 50.8 mmNo - 3.18 mm apart on diameter
-322 1/2-12 UN · 63.5 mmNo such sizeOnly one family has this size

Diameters shown are the basic major diameter of the male thread. On a tapered thread that figure is defined at the gauge plane, which is not where a caliper naturally sits - the size pages carry the span published charts actually measure.

Detail

Everything each family carries

Thread form, geometry and seat for both families in this comparison.
PropertySAE O-ring boss, ORBO-ring face seal, ORFS
Flank angle60 degrees60 degrees
Parallel or taperedParallelParallel
SeatO-ring boss (straight thread port)O-ring face seal (flat face)
Where it sealsThe O-ring squashed between the fitting shoulder and the machined spotface of the port. The thread only holds the load.The O-ring squashed between the two flat faces. The thread only holds the load.
Defined bySAE J1926-1, ISO 11926-1SAE J1453, ISO 8434-3
Sized bySized by dash number. The thread is identical to the JIC thread of the same dash - only the sealing end differs.Sized by dash number for the tube outside diameter, but the thread is larger than the JIC thread of the same dash.

Answers

Common questions

Will a SAE O-ring boss, ORB screw into a O-ring face seal, ORFS?

Neither will thread into the other, so there is no leaking combination between them. The failure with these two is a different one: fitting an ORB stud with the O-ring missing, or into a port with no machined spotface. The O-ring is the seal and the thread only carries the load, so a missing ring or a rough port face weeps immediately, and torquing the stud down to chase it damages the spotface and scraps the port.

Are SAE O-ring boss and O-ring face seal interchangeable?

Nothing. At every dash size the ORFS thread is a full size larger than the ORB thread of the same dash: a -08 ORB is 3/4-16 and a -08 ORFS is 13/16-16.

How do I tell them apart?

Look at the nose. ORFS is dead flat with a shallow circular groove machined into the face. ORB has no groove in the face at all - its O-ring sits on a plain shoulder between the thread and the hex, and on a used fitting the ring is usually gone and only the shoulder is left.

More pairs

Other fittings people mix up

Where these figures come from

Every value on this page was checked against 4 independent published sources:

Sources disagree: ORFS -08 male thread diameter.

  • 22.0 mm (gates-idchart)
  • 20.6 mm (apex-threadid)
  • 20.8 mm (mcgill-id)

22.0 mm cannot be a 13/16 in thread, whose basic major diameter is 20.64 mm, and the same chart gives a female inside diameter of 19.1 mm, which only fits the smaller figure. The outlier is treated as a misprint and excluded from the published span, and it is recorded here so nobody has to work that out twice.